"Thriving, Not Just Surviving: Mental Health and Work-Life Balance Tips"

September 09, 2024

In this episode, Allen Chan and Maya discuss the critical topics of mental health and work-life balance. They share personal experiences, practical strategies, and insights to help listeners achieve a healthier and more balanced life. This conversation aims to provide valuable guidance for managing stress, preventing burnout, and maintaining overall well-being. Key Topics Covered: Introduction to Work-Life Balance: Understanding the importance of work-life balance in different stages of business and personal life. The necessity of building systems and delegating tasks to achieve balance. Mental Health Awareness: The impact of technology and social media on mental health. The importance of human interaction and connecting with nature. Strategies for Achieving Work-Life Balance: Allocating time for personal activities and self-care. Reflecting on daily activities and making conscious efforts to improve balance. Prioritizing tasks and managing time effectively. Recognizing and Addressing Burnout: Identifying signs of burnout and stress among employees and oneself. Practical steps to break patterns and improve mental health. Encouraging open communication and supportive work environments. The Role of Technology: How technology can both support and challenge work-life balance. The importance of using technology mindfully to avoid negative impacts on mental health. Personal Practices for Mental Health: Allen shares his practices for maintaining mental health, including regular exercise, documenting life events, and having meaningful conversations. The significance of reflecting on one's life and making adjustments as needed. Conclusion: This episode offers practical advice and insights into achieving a healthy work-life balance and maintaining mental well-being. By reflecting on your activities, prioritizing self-care, and fostering open communication, you can lead a more balanced and fulfilling life. Call to Action: If you found this episode helpful, please subscribe to our podcast and leave a review. Share this episode with friends and colleagues who might benefit from these insights. Stay tuned for more episodes on personal and professional development.

Episode Transcript

Allen Chan: Alright, I'm here with Maya and
it's probably our end episode

Allen Chan: and we'll talk about certain
aspects today.

Allen Chan: So what are we gonna talk about
today, Maya?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So today we are talking about
the mental health and work life

Allen Chan: balance.

Allen Chan: Cool.

Allen Chan: And what is the question that
you have for today?

Allen Chan: So firstly I I wanted you to
start with your experience like

Allen Chan: I wanted you to share your
personal journey with work life

Allen Chan: balance and mental health, huh?

Allen Chan: OK.

Allen Chan: So, I mean, you're talking about
work life balance in the

Allen Chan: business sense.

Allen Chan: So I think the first thing is,
well, you wanna clarify, it's

Allen Chan: Business, right?

Allen Chan: Well, because you knew really
need to understand what's your

Allen Chan: business life cycle, right?

Allen Chan: So I always talk about or if you
got the for those listening they

Allen Chan: have.

Allen Chan: Listen, is that if you wanna
start a business and you wanna

Allen Chan: expect more time, let's face it.

Allen Chan: Is is impossible.

Allen Chan: You're you're dreaming, right?

Allen Chan: Because in the beginning,
business demands a lot of your

Allen Chan: time.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: You think you're gonna go on
holidays, sipping on a pina

Allen Chan: colada, like flying everywhere?

Allen Chan: The answer is no, because you
need to build systems.

Allen Chan: You need to build sales process
marketing, right and most often

Allen Chan: or not because your cash flow is
a key thing.

Allen Chan: You do everything right.

Allen Chan: So is there any balance?

Allen Chan: The answer is not.

Allen Chan: There's no balance, right?

Allen Chan: However, if you know you can't
run your business, you know,

Allen Chan: five years, 10 years like that,
and you'll burnt out.

Allen Chan: So therefore, it's really
important is asking yourself

Allen Chan: better questions throughout the
journey or life cycle of your

Allen Chan: business is what is it that I
need?

Allen Chan: Is it recruitment that I need?

Allen Chan: Is it better system is a better
automation right?

Allen Chan: So you're not doing everything
yourself right, because

Allen Chan: sometimes you feel like, oh, I'm
a business owner, I can do it

Allen Chan: better quality than another
person.

Allen Chan: Then I feel you need to think a
big think again, because if you

Allen Chan: continue to do that, you won't
have the work life balance and

Allen Chan: then something's gonna cost you,
right?

Allen Chan: Whether it's your health,
whether it's your family,

Allen Chan: whether it's your mental health,
right, those sort of things are

Allen Chan: important.

Allen Chan: So you might be going well.

Allen Chan: When's that right time.

Allen Chan: Well, depends on the business.

Allen Chan: Do you have that cash flow or
money to kind of like systemise,

Allen Chan: which I've done with my own
business and still forever

Allen Chan: changing?

Allen Chan: Umm, but I feel if you want to
have a bit more balances to lock

Allen Chan: it in right?

Allen Chan: I think we've got the videos now
or some of the recordings you

Allen Chan: guys listen around time
management, if it's so important

Allen Chan: to you, I think you should be
mapping it down straight away,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: Yes, you got work.

Allen Chan: Yes, you gotta pick up the kids
or.

Allen Chan: Yes, you gotta do these chores.

Allen Chan: But if it's so important to you
work while it balance, you

Allen Chan: probably need to allocate some
time, right?

Allen Chan: Maybe even as an exercise, you
may not be there yet.

Allen Chan: Have a look in the last two
weeks, right?

Allen Chan: What have you been doing that's
focused on this work life

Allen Chan: balance?

Allen Chan: And if the answer is no, I think
you need to do something

Allen Chan: differently because it's a
insanity to expect a different

Allen Chan: result if you're doing the same
thing over and over again,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: So in answering question,
Business stages require

Allen Chan: different investment and if you
don't challenge yourself and

Allen Chan: think, hey, how can I commit to
this work life balance right,

Allen Chan: then it's not gonna happen for
you.

Allen Chan: Is that answer your question?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: OK, so how do you take this
mental health?

Allen Chan: Mental health.

Allen Chan: OK, sure.

Allen Chan: Stop. Easy, right?

Allen Chan: I feel nowadays, especially
after overt, we've been kind of

Allen Chan: like utilizing a lot of devices
and and yeah, like going on

Allen Chan: social media accounts, no doubt
email like I feel there's that

Allen Chan: lack of human component and this
is where when you're not.

Allen Chan: We're human beings, right?

Allen Chan: Being there with other humans,
right?

Allen Chan: Or, you know, you mentioned to
myself, right?

Allen Chan: Yeah, with nature.

Allen Chan: So being around like if we're
just home all the time, right?

Allen Chan: I mean, they're work from home.

Allen Chan: Eat from home late.

Allen Chan: Your home is not everything you
need to make a conscious effort

Allen Chan: effort to go outside and walk
and explore like we were walking

Allen Chan: like just to break the pattern
because otherwise it becomes

Allen Chan: like not work from home.

Allen Chan: It's like living 24/7 at home
right these days, so therefore

Allen Chan: the mental health is accrued
because there's only so much

Allen Chan: movies that you can watch so
much social that you can follow

Allen Chan: up on until as a human being
that you need interaction.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: I know you were.

Allen Chan: Even for yourself, right?

Allen Chan: It's like having that work life
balance you.

Allen Chan: You're coming to some, you know,
charity troops, right?

Allen Chan: Meeting new people.

Allen Chan: Different experiences.

Allen Chan: You don't know what's gonna
happen, but you have physically

Allen Chan: need to be there.

Allen Chan: Like I pretty much cannot do a
charity and building houses for

Allen Chan: the poor communities over zoom
or teams, right?

Allen Chan: So I think like in terms of
mental health, we need to make

Allen Chan: that conscious effort, whether
it's with your family, to talk

Allen Chan: to people right in person.

Allen Chan: I know we're doing this.

Allen Chan: Why teams and podcasts, which
that's how we're trying to

Allen Chan: connect with most of our
audience.

Allen Chan: But later on, we'd love to do
some live events, right?

Allen Chan: That you're talking to people
and questions.

Allen Chan: Answers right.

Allen Chan: Interactions.

Allen Chan: See how they move, right?

Allen Chan: What their facial expression,
right?

Allen Chan: So I feel that's probably a key
role.

Allen Chan: I don't think any AI or robots
can solve is.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: Human interaction? Yeah.

Allen Chan: So why do you search
conversation around mental

Allen Chan: health and work?

Allen Chan: Life Balance has become so
important in recent years.

Allen Chan: Well, it's become important
because we were suffering from

Allen Chan: it, right?

Allen Chan: So I feel we don't make an
effort and we become lazy,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: So for example, let's say let's
think back ten years ago, right?

Allen Chan: And there's no socials and so
forth.

Allen Chan: What?

Allen Chan: What do you do? Like?

Allen Chan: I don't know when you're a kid,
like, how do you meet someone?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: You would ring your cousin or
your uncle and auntie.

Allen Chan: Hey, I'm coming over, right.

Allen Chan: You know, on Saturday I'll be
there at this time and you know,

Allen Chan: we're gonna sit down and have a
lunch, have a dinner and then

Allen Chan: collaborate like, because there
wasn't much interaction.

Allen Chan: Now in terms of WhatsApp or, you
know other media stuff, right?

Allen Chan: Messenger, Facebook, and so
forth. You name it.

Allen Chan: But now it's become a lot of
noise.

Allen Chan: Like, I mean, today's my
birthday.

Allen Chan: I'm just saying, right?

Allen Chan: And you know everyone wish my
happy birthday.

Allen Chan: But how many messages are there?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: But you know the you you
experience, there's one person,

Allen Chan: my friend, that called me and
said happy birthday.

Allen Chan: We had a chat, right?

Allen Chan: You were in the car.

Allen Chan: And then my high school mate
just came here and shook my

Allen Chan: hand.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: That is what prevents mental
health, right?

Allen Chan: And because now we're relying on
these devices, which is great

Allen Chan: tools, there's no no doubt about
it.

Allen Chan: But we're missing the human
element, which is like what?

Allen Chan: Our soul.

Allen Chan: What?

Allen Chan: Our spirit, we need to meet that
person and feel like I can't

Allen Chan: feel your aura through just a
teams as much as I want to,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: We you need to be in front of
that person, that makes sense.

Allen Chan: OK.

Allen Chan: Yeah, all.

Allen Chan: Do you define healthy work life
balance?

Allen Chan: Well, how do you define right?

Allen Chan: Well, you have to look at, you
know, your calendar and and in

Allen Chan: terms of how many activities or
we've if you're measuring week

Allen Chan: or fortnightly or monthly, then
you're spending time for

Allen Chan: yourself, right?

Allen Chan: There's just say for my wife and
I like, I know, like we get

Allen Chan: caught up in the chores or
running like the day to day with

Allen Chan: the keys.

Allen Chan: But if we don't have a date
night like often a lot like we

Allen Chan: might be a bit tense or
frustrated, right in terms of

Allen Chan: like not having our own time
together away from the kids.

Allen Chan: So therefore you would feel that
there is a kind of whether your

Allen Chan: you mentioned about emotion
regulation.

Allen Chan: When we're talking walking, if
you feel like, hey, you're

Allen Chan: emotionally, like, affected all
the time or you snap easy.

Allen Chan: Like, are we doing something for
yourself? Right.

Allen Chan: I'll be mentioning to some of
our business partners is like

Allen Chan: when you're flying up like you
know back to Nepal, right, and

Allen Chan: what does the air Hostess do?

Allen Chan: Hey in event or mergency there
is a mask that comes down and

Allen Chan: what does she say?

Allen Chan: Does she say put the mask on
yourself, Maya?

Allen Chan: Or does she say, hey, put the
mask on someone that's needed,

Allen Chan: like whether it's children or
elderly before putting a putting

Allen Chan: it on yourself first before you
you help other people.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: True.

Allen Chan: So therefore, it's really
critical that you need to help

Allen Chan: yourself, because you need to be
in a good, healthy and healthy

Allen Chan: is not just like you're running
like mental and network like and

Allen Chan: mental health being is forever
more important now, right.

Allen Chan: And look, I'm not saying it may
be like your downtime is playing

Allen Chan: games right, or watching Netflix
right, or going out to nature.

Allen Chan: I don't know it because that's
the art that you can answer

Allen Chan: yourself, but it's definitely
something that's different to

Allen Chan: work.

Allen Chan: That's why it work life balance
right?

Allen Chan: So yeah, so why is it crucial
for mental well being like the

Allen Chan: healthy work life balance?

Allen Chan: Well, I think we will function
like there's a lot of benefits,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: If you're in the right state of
mind, right, you function

Allen Chan: better.

Allen Chan: You regulate emotions better.

Allen Chan: You learn how to tackle
challenges a bit more

Allen Chan: effectively.

Allen Chan: Maybe you will sleep better,
right?

Allen Chan: Because sometimes, like we're
working so much with thinking

Allen Chan: about a lot of things, all we
worry about a lot of things,

Allen Chan: right.

Allen Chan: Or we're reading and then
worrying about a lot of things

Allen Chan: and not really like sleeping or
taking care of ourselves.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: But it's what you focus on and
what you focus on is what you're

Allen Chan: gonna feel and how you gonna
feel is how you're gonna do

Allen Chan: something, right?

Allen Chan: Are you feeling lazy?

Allen Chan: You're not gonna be doing
something right?

Allen Chan: So you're not really selling
yourself like the benefit like

Allen Chan: to catch up with friends then
actually going out to see a

Allen Chan: movie or going out to eat out,
right?

Allen Chan: One like I mentioned, we were
made of mine.

Allen Chan: Maybe the economy, like I mean,
maybe, maybe an excuse like it

Allen Chan: costs a bit more, right?

Allen Chan: It's no value for money, right?

Allen Chan: Going out right, baby?

Allen Chan: Cheaper at home, but not making
an effort to invite people,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: So it's become lazy.

Allen Chan: I think like you know, we need
to if that's what we wanna focus

Allen Chan: on, we need to make a conscious
effort to make sure we're

Allen Chan: improving it.

Allen Chan: That's my team.

Allen Chan: Umm.

Allen Chan: So have you ever noticed such a
common signs that you're among

Allen Chan: your stops?

Allen Chan: Like their work, life balance
might be affecting their mental

Allen Chan: health. Things.

Allen Chan: I mean, let's not even start
with partners like myself,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: If I feel like, you know,
stressed, right, I mean, I mean,

Allen Chan: there's different ways of
measuring myself.

Allen Chan: Like is it your your blood
pressure?

Allen Chan: Is that OK?

Allen Chan: You know, are you healthy?

Allen Chan: Have you got the energy?

Allen Chan: Are you feeling tired all the
time?

Allen Chan: I mean, that's from a health
perspective, but you know, do

Allen Chan: you feel yourself like just
focusing on work and know

Allen Chan: others, right?

Allen Chan: And not focusing on family one
another pattern that I measured

Allen Chan: myself like do I snap with the
kids pretty easily, right?

Allen Chan: Because I'm worrying about the
outcome on a business case

Allen Chan: rather than hey, it's not that
big of their all, but you tie it

Allen Chan: together, right?

Allen Chan: You may be communicating a bit
more, like aggressively right

Allen Chan: than usual, so these are the
signs I feel.

Allen Chan: If you're not balance right and
look after yourself you you can

Allen Chan: feel right the the conversation
with your business partners and

Allen Chan: clients may not be that well and
that's what you need to check

Allen Chan: with yourself, right?

Allen Chan: Have you been like even you were
mentioning?

Allen Chan: Have I been out to nature and
the last if what do I enjoy

Allen Chan: doing right?

Allen Chan: That's when you can really sense
that work life balance, yeah.

Allen Chan: Biggest challenge for people
when they are trying to maintain

Allen Chan: healthy work life balance well,
I think what you share with

Allen Chan: myself, right, I mean you got a
lot of goals which is great,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: Or like back at this one of
them, like let's say swimming,

Allen Chan: right.

Allen Chan: So hey, I wanna take massive
action, but sometimes it just

Allen Chan: gets in the way because the time
doesn't align right.

Allen Chan: I mean, before even having that
right, I think the first thing

Allen Chan: that they have like I wanna do
this five no time, right?

Allen Chan: I mean, that's an excuse because
if it's so important to you,

Allen Chan: you'll make an effort to Booking
that time.

Allen Chan: And then you make it happen now
when it's going away for

Allen Chan: swimming class for seven days,
right, or two weeks. Right.

Allen Chan: You just make lock it in your
calendar.

Allen Chan: Now the second thing is like
capturing lane.

Allen Chan: Some people don't even know what
they like doing right you

Allen Chan: mentioned about observe you
like.

Allen Chan: You like writing down things?

Allen Chan: Some people don't even capture,
so they don't even know what is

Allen Chan: it that gives them that work
life balance now.

Allen Chan: It's not like, hey, you have to
do this or you have to do that.

Allen Chan: It's different to everyone.

Allen Chan: You may have different hobbies.

Allen Chan: You may have different that they
are even if you are doing that

Allen Chan: as a hobby, something maybe like
gardening.

Allen Chan: You know, I've been mentoring
some other people like they they

Allen Chan: would love their like the way
that they keep work.

Allen Chan: Life balance is to clean up the
garden, right?

Allen Chan: Simple as that.

Allen Chan: So say, when's the last time?

Allen Chan: Oh, I haven't been because I'm
doing this.

Allen Chan: I'm doing that.

Allen Chan: I'm doing this thing great.

Allen Chan: Well, at least you're aware
you're not doing it.

Allen Chan: Then my question is, in the next
few weeks, what are you doing to

Allen Chan: lock it out?

Allen Chan: Hey, I'm gonna do.

Allen Chan: Take them out of hours of
gardening, right?

Allen Chan: That's pretty possible, right?

Allen Chan: I mean, if it's Saturday, Sunday
or whatever time that suits you,

Allen Chan: I'm gonna lock out this time
because that's what the fills

Allen Chan: me.

Allen Chan: Why would you not do it all the
time?

Allen Chan: Is it impacting well?

Allen Chan: Not really.

Allen Chan: So it's just really making it
your typology, maybe preventing

Allen Chan: it happening, but let's lock it
in and make it happen, right?

Allen Chan: Does that help?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So can you share some strategies
or practices that have been

Allen Chan: effective in helping individuals
manage their strength and

Allen Chan: prevent the burnout?

Allen Chan: I think look, I'm probably not
the best person to talk to away,

Allen Chan: but look, I feel stressed just
means it's a word when there's

Allen Chan: too many things happening at the
same time and you need to make

Allen Chan: that particular to this
decision.

Allen Chan: So in business, right, I feel
the best way to manage that is

Allen Chan: to well write down, right, what
you have right, because

Allen Chan: sometimes you're you feel
overwhelmed.

Allen Chan: I'll have to do this.

Allen Chan: I have to do this, but when you
really map it out and write it

Allen Chan: down like hey, there's 10
things, but not all of them is

Allen Chan: so urgent that needs to be done
or it's life threatening right

Allen Chan: in our position or business that
I'm blessed in a sense, it's

Allen Chan: like it's not like an emergency
person that we need to rush to

Allen Chan: the scene and someone's gonna
die as a result of a work.

Allen Chan: No, it's probably some money
compensation, potentially a loss

Allen Chan: of a Client, right?

Allen Chan: But I feel it's really
prioritizing like what the Tasks

Allen Chan: when you write it down, it's
like, oh, it's not that bad

Allen Chan: after all, right?

Allen Chan: And then it's juggling like
those tasks, right?

Allen Chan: Scheduling it in right, so if
it's things that need to be done

Allen Chan: now, you do it now.

Allen Chan: But if it things not done now,
right, you just don't realize it

Allen Chan: to be a bit later, right?

Allen Chan: Sometimes we're just
overachievers.

Allen Chan: Don't you think?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: We wanna achieve everything
right.

Allen Chan: We wanna make money.

Allen Chan: You wanna be this?

Allen Chan: You wanna work life?

Allen Chan: Balance everything all at once,
but sometimes you only have 24

Allen Chan: hours in a day, right?

Allen Chan: Is it achievable?

Allen Chan: Is it other things that you can
do that's gives you some sense

Allen Chan: of work life balance, right?

Allen Chan: Maybe reading a quote of the day
or doing some yoga breathing

Allen Chan: like something that you can fit
in right within the day.

Allen Chan: Then you're not feeling oh, my
God, I everything that I'm doing

Allen Chan: is work.

Allen Chan: Cool.

Allen Chan: Umm.

Allen Chan: So in terms of business like,
yeah, how can employers create a

Allen Chan: goal and how they work
environment that supports both

Allen Chan: productivity and mental well
being of the employees?

Allen Chan: Well, I think load this is my
hallucination here.

Allen Chan: Like my business partners that
work together with us, like you

Allen Chan: need to set up like you know,
your workstation, make sure it

Allen Chan: comfortable, right, those sort
of things, right.

Allen Chan: So yeah, sometimes if you're
moving around right, you got two

Allen Chan: monitors, right?

Allen Chan: You're in a comfortable place.

Allen Chan: Those sort of things sometimes
also just planning like you know

Allen Chan: what?

Allen Chan: What you need right?

Allen Chan: Sometimes, like, you know, even
for us now, is it better?

Allen Chan: Like a headset?

Allen Chan: Is it a comfortable chair,
right?

Allen Chan: You just need to look at ways
that to improve your environment

Allen Chan: right nowadays, like even I see
some desk in here in Parramatta

Allen Chan: spaces that some people don't
sit there.

Allen Chan: They wanna stand up and they
choose to right.

Allen Chan: So they say standing desk,
right?

Allen Chan: So they don't wanna sit all the
time, right?

Allen Chan: So it's just doing something
differently, right that they

Allen Chan: can, umm, you know, kill two
birds though.

Allen Chan: Bit more like healthy right.

Allen Chan: Perceived to be healthy, right?

Allen Chan: Standing up rather than sitting
down, right, so giving them a

Allen Chan: bit of variety. Right.

Allen Chan: Mm-hmm.

Allen Chan: That school.

Allen Chan: So.

Allen Chan: So what?

Allen Chan: What kind of roles does this
energy company your company

Allen Chan: have?

Allen Chan: The culture to play in
influencing your employees,

Allen Chan: mental health and broadcast.

Allen Chan: Allen, well, I think the key
thing is what we do well, I feel

Allen Chan: we have a strong culture.

Allen Chan: So we gather every Wednesday
like as a team event and it's

Allen Chan: not sometimes asking questions
on based on work.

Allen Chan: So for example, we had one
question the other day, which

Allen Chan: was if you were not doing what
you're doing, what would you be

Allen Chan: doing right, having it's a bit
of a ry because they're working

Allen Chan: like, of course, we're mortgage
brokers will help clients

Allen Chan: getting first home investments,
sophisticated investors.

Allen Chan: But you know, some of them
Shared really profound, like

Allen Chan: Answers, right?

Allen Chan: Some were like, I'm just gonna
sit in nature, right?

Allen Chan: Or like be a Yogi kind of thing,
right?

Allen Chan: And somewhere like we are Cairo
physio, right?

Allen Chan: So it's just getting them to
think it's not just always about

Allen Chan: work, right?

Allen Chan: We have things like that we
catch up once 1/4 just to

Allen Chan: celebrate birthday.

Allen Chan: So as much as most of our
business partners work from

Allen Chan: home, it is important to have
that human interaction seeing

Allen Chan: and not touching someone by able
to like, hey, you're a real

Allen Chan: you're in person, right?

Allen Chan: We have a lot of virtual stuff
in different parts of the world.

Allen Chan: We'd like to gather them and
again they see you're actually

Allen Chan: this tour, right?

Allen Chan: I don't see you in teams, right,
because you're only seeing one

Allen Chan: section.

Allen Chan: So it's not again or a or the
energies like when I see them in

Allen Chan: real person.

Allen Chan: Oh my gosh, this guy.

Allen Chan: So tall, right?

Allen Chan: So that's when you only can
experience in real person.

Allen Chan: So we're starting to lack like
this benefits in teams and zoom.

Allen Chan: There's a purpose for it, but I
feel in terms of like like

Allen Chan: coming to the office, making an
effort, right, breaking your

Allen Chan: normal pattern, right.

Allen Chan: Yes, working from home.

Allen Chan: Maybe more effective because I
don't have the travel.

Allen Chan: I'll do more stuff, but you need
to be talking and interacting

Allen Chan: with people or even listening to
sessions like this.

Allen Chan: Like to break out of the pattern
to to focus on if you know

Allen Chan: better mental health.

Allen Chan: OK.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So since you talk about the new
Virtual Office panel, so how has

Allen Chan: this sifting remote or hybrid
worked impacted her mental

Allen Chan: health and work life balance
well, definitely has, right?

Allen Chan: There's no doubt because you've
become using like working from

Allen Chan: home.

Allen Chan: Like I said, you have more
productivity of efficiency,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: And with AI is the same thing,
you end up doing a lot more

Allen Chan: things than what you would do
like previously.

Allen Chan: So I feel like we need times and
whether it's a holiday or

Allen Chan: something getting away right?

Allen Chan: So to have a recharge, because
if you're going constantly like,

Allen Chan: hey, with teams, I can do like
10 back to back meetings, right,

Allen Chan: because of result of these teams
and hybrid work environment.

Allen Chan: But you need to make that
choice, right?

Allen Chan: What's the benefit and what's
the cost?

Allen Chan: Every decision that we make in
life, Maya is like then we'll be

Allen Chan: a benefit and there will always
be a consequence.

Allen Chan: So what's the benefit is that,
hey, you get more stuff done,

Allen Chan: but how often?

Allen Chan: I mean, can we?

Allen Chan: I'm sure everyone can attest to
it, like having more meetings

Allen Chan: doesn't mean your life is all
done.

Allen Chan: It just means there's more
questions to me.

Allen Chan: Ready for the next meeting?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: Potentially just means moving
that project along to where it

Allen Chan: needs to be, right?

Allen Chan: So I feel also coming back like
that stress you, you know,

Allen Chan: you're not really articulating
what is it that you need to do,

Allen Chan: is it always me that needs to do
it right?

Allen Chan: Feels sometimes like if we look
at the tasks that we need to do,

Allen Chan: maybe someone else can be doing
it right where this from a

Allen Chan: business you're you're
outsourcing then or you're

Allen Chan: paying someone else to do it.

Allen Chan: Whether someone in my team that
you haven't articulated because

Allen Chan: you feel like there's so many
things you need to do yourself

Allen Chan: and you haven't really
questioned, is there better way

Allen Chan: of doing things, whether it's me
or someone else, then you become

Allen Chan: stressed, right?

Allen Chan: So I know I'm jumping around a
little bit, but I feel going

Allen Chan: back to yourself, that hybrid
environment is changing.

Allen Chan: It's already changed right the
way that we like.

Allen Chan: It's facilitated opportunities,
but we need to be mindful.

Allen Chan: There's some consequences.

Allen Chan: You're right.

Allen Chan: Like in terms of mental health.

Allen Chan: So be mindful to really hey man,
I've been on the computer a lot

Allen Chan: late.

Allen Chan: It's time to look at some trees
outside or focus on a flower

Allen Chan: right in the garden, right?

Allen Chan: Making something and breaking
that pattern rather than just

Allen Chan: sitting down, yeah.

Allen Chan: So personally, what kind of
practices do you use to maintain

Allen Chan: your mental health and work life
balance well?

Allen Chan: I think one thing and it's a bit
silly, I don't know if it's

Allen Chan: someone that you talk to it like
I talk to like, not my wife,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: I I do talk to it every day, but
I did talk to one of my close

Allen Chan: friends.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: You know, every day I'll
chatting because you probably.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So we have even our code name
for our like.

Allen Chan: It's like a Big Brother kind of
thing, right?

Allen Chan: The brother chat.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: And we're talking about anything
and it's allowing that system of

Allen Chan: not sharing for invoice.

Allen Chan: But sometimes you want to just
vent and get it out of your

Allen Chan: chest.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: And yeah, vice versa, right?

Allen Chan: He may have things just so we
always have this thing when we

Allen Chan: chat like, hey, what's the mad
story of the day?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: So it's always like I don't have
some bad story.

Allen Chan: How about you?

Allen Chan: Do you have any bad stories?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: So I feel like we call it like
PT, right?

Allen Chan: So what's PT?

Allen Chan: It's called perfect timing,
right?

Allen Chan: So we always ring each other.

Allen Chan: I mean, we sometimes even talk
like three times a day, right?

Allen Chan: Just to talk certain things now,
I'll be going.

Allen Chan: Wow.

Allen Chan: Do you have so much crap?

Allen Chan: Talk about.

Allen Chan: Well, yeah it is.

Allen Chan: Because one day when I have like
10 meetings, there's so many

Allen Chan: things happening, right.

Allen Chan: So sometimes I even miss like.

Allen Chan: Of course I wanna share it with
my wife, but like and she she's

Allen Chan: got homework and other stuff.

Allen Chan: So we talk about different
things.

Allen Chan: So I think you have certain
people you wanna chat to you.

Allen Chan: Maybe they call it DM right?

Allen Chan: Deep and meaningful
conversation.

Allen Chan: Some people like you may wanna
share and talk about family.

Allen Chan: Some of you wanna talk about
business and investment, you

Allen Chan: have different people that you
ring to and reach out to talk

Allen Chan: about anything.

Allen Chan: But for me, I can talk about
anything and in fact are

Allen Chan: probably have that aura people
telling me a lot of stories,

Allen Chan: right and sharing so.

Allen Chan: And then I just capture
sometimes the essence, the good

Allen Chan: things and leave not the not so
good things.

Allen Chan: And I think that really works
right.

Allen Chan: Having someone to talk to right?

Allen Chan: Umm.

Allen Chan: Because if you don't, we're
social beings, right?

Allen Chan: Not not through just Facebook
and posting things like I love

Allen Chan: doing that.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: That's part of me, but yeah, but
then at the same time, I feel

Allen Chan: for purpose.

Allen Chan: So you need to know your
purpose.

Allen Chan: The purpose for me to do it on
Facebook is not to tell hey,

Allen Chan: I'll go.

Allen Chan: How good I am and look at me, I
think it's me for documentation.

Allen Chan: So you could see I record and
all that stuff because life is

Allen Chan: too short.

Allen Chan: If it's low, like like 1, mentor
said.

Allen Chan: If your life is worth living,
it's worth recording right now.

Allen Chan: You do it through your journal,
which is great.

Allen Chan: Like I don't journal as much.

Allen Chan: I just love like taking photo
right now.

Allen Chan: Photo may be just still like
better videos, right?

Allen Chan: So I love editing at the moment
on reels and Instagram, right?

Allen Chan: I just love doing that because
when I see my two daughters

Allen Chan: grow, I see them like, Oh my
gosh, they're grown so much and

Allen Chan: I look at these photos seven
years ago, it's like what they

Allen Chan: were just a little baby.

Allen Chan: And you can hold them in the
hand.

Allen Chan: So I think like 1 mentor,
another mentor taught me.

Allen Chan: He's like, you know, the secret
that happiness is progress,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: So sometimes you look back and
it's like ohh my gosh, like how

Allen Chan: far or how little how big or how
small, right that you progress,

Allen Chan: right and you reflect and that's
what gives you that that journey

Allen Chan: Lai mean lucky is my birthday
late.

Allen Chan: I'm like 41 years young, but if
I look at all the last 10 years

Allen Chan: or 12 years like now, it's been
a blast.

Allen Chan: I'm not saying there's no
challenges.

Allen Chan: There's no mental health
challenges.

Allen Chan: I mean, I have my own
challenges, but I think it's

Allen Chan: more like sometimes you gotta
get real as well, right?

Allen Chan: If there is challenge, you gotta
say, hey, I'm having a challenge

Allen Chan: like I need to.

Allen Chan: You have a choice.

Allen Chan: What am I gonna do about it?

Allen Chan: I'm gonna cry about it or do
something differently because

Allen Chan: like I said, if you're doing the
same thing over again, expecting

Allen Chan: a different result, that is
insanity, right?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: Is that Help?

Allen Chan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

Allen Chan: How do you spend your me time or
the downtime? Usually.

Allen Chan: Ah, for me at the moment I do
kinda like.

Allen Chan: Focus on exercising.

Allen Chan: Just walking, like without fail,
right?

Allen Chan: Because now I'm at that age.

Allen Chan: That hey man, bones and stuff
and not move like that

Allen Chan: regularly.

Allen Chan: So so there's a key thing on
definitely nowadays, we may have

Allen Chan: the lifespan right, because now
we technology and AI, you might.

Allen Chan: I heard her from a seminar
recently.

Allen Chan: Our live expanded right in the
health profession is probably

Allen Chan: around 100, between 110 to 120,
right?

Allen Chan: 10 to 120 right, right.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: So because of certain medical
practices and and medication and

Allen Chan: so forth, right now life spans
one thing, right?

Allen Chan: We can live like that that long,
right?

Allen Chan: But then there, because we've
got all that knowledge as well.

Allen Chan: But what's your health plan?

Allen Chan: So health span is more around
are you able to move like

Allen Chan: happily or pain free doing the
things that you love doing?

Allen Chan: Right?

Allen Chan: So here's an interesting story.

Allen Chan: So obviously my one of my
grandma, which passed on, but

Allen Chan: did she had the lifespan?

Allen Chan: Hell yeah, she was like 90
something, right?

Allen Chan: But the last few years I
realized her health span because

Allen Chan: of COVID.

Allen Chan: And then she was in a nursing
home.

Allen Chan: It wasn't, as you know, she
couldn't move around and

Allen Chan: interact with people.

Allen Chan: Like what we're saying with the
mental health, it really

Allen Chan: affected her and her health
deteriorated really rapidly,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: So therefore what I sense in
terms of the life span you may

Allen Chan: we can all have that potential
to live X amount, but are you

Allen Chan: having the healthspan like you
moved like, well, have the

Allen Chan: energy right, people may look at
me, you're just a bit chubby.

Allen Chan: But then, hey man, like I've got
the energy. Right.

Allen Chan: You ready to rock'n'roll?

Allen Chan: Right, because my reason of
doing this is to make sure I can

Allen Chan: keep up with the two girls
because they have a lot of

Allen Chan: energy, right?

Allen Chan: Can I keep up with a 20 year
old, 30 year old right?

Allen Chan: Like I might not beat them in a
race, but I can keep up in terms

Allen Chan: of the mental or or or the like.

Allen Chan: You know, just moving around
energy, that's the key.

Allen Chan: So I feel that's the most
important element that I'm

Allen Chan: working on.

Allen Chan: So like going on treadmill is
one thing and then the other

Allen Chan: thing I love leads the
documentation right events.

Allen Chan: So I'm doing as you know, some
emerging troops keeping me like

Allen Chan: busy when you have a lot more
projects not to the stage where

Allen Chan: I do as well like overcommit,
right?

Allen Chan: It's like ohh man, there's ten
projects and even today it's on

Allen Chan: my birthday.

Allen Chan: There's so many things
happening, but I love it right

Allen Chan: in a sense, but I don't want to
have too much that you're gonna

Allen Chan: be stressed or mental health as
well. Right?

Allen Chan: And society.

Allen Chan: Right, because they're wearing
too many things.

Allen Chan: You need to have a right
balance.

Allen Chan: Is that cool?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So if you see someone is
struggling with burnout or is

Allen Chan: stressed due to work, So what
first step would you recommend

Allen Chan: that type?

Allen Chan: Well, I think look, when you see
on the outside, they may not

Allen Chan: feel it like that, they feel
burnt out, right.

Allen Chan: That's number one.

Allen Chan: I feel it's more to help them.

Allen Chan: Is really breaking their pattern
right?

Allen Chan: When's the last time?

Allen Chan: You, you know, you're doing this
all the time.

Allen Chan: Well, firstly, maybe question
them, what's the reason in doing

Allen Chan: it?

Allen Chan: Because some reason maybe not
valid right?

Allen Chan: I'm doing this and then what
with the sacrifice of your

Allen Chan: health or you're doing this
because at the sacrifice of your

Allen Chan: family or you're doing this like
a person.

Allen Chan: The guy I, you know, my dad
would always say, hey, I'm doing

Allen Chan: it for the family.

Allen Chan: Well, at the sacrifice of not
spending time with us, you know,

Allen Chan: like that's where what is your
purpose?

Allen Chan: If they're focused on that
purpose, they're never gonna

Allen Chan: change, right?

Allen Chan: If they see ohh, they're
complaining is not where they

Allen Chan: want to be.

Allen Chan: Well, then you offer them like,
what is it?

Allen Chan: What you wanna do, right?

Allen Chan: If you doing the same thing
right, it's not gonna work out

Allen Chan: for you.

Allen Chan: So what is it that you can add
right?

Allen Chan: I feel like it's not stopped.

Allen Chan: Yeah, you may like, stop certain
things, but I feel like and

Allen Chan: let's add things that is focused
on yourself, right, because they

Allen Chan: were always say, hey, I can't do
it.

Allen Chan: It's no time.

Allen Chan: It's impossible, right?

Allen Chan: But because you're like, you
know, for yourself, it's like I

Allen Chan: wanna swim.

Allen Chan: And I wanna like swim next
month.

Allen Chan: Of course you have a lot of
intensity and all those sessions

Allen Chan: that you're gonna do it hang.

Allen Chan: Wanna swim by next year?

Allen Chan: OK.

Allen Chan: Well, it's achievable if you do
certain lesson.

Allen Chan: If you wanna swing by two years,
three years, right.

Allen Chan: We've got a game plan, right?

Allen Chan: It's very achievable right?

Allen Chan: So I think it's sometimes you
have something that you wanna

Allen Chan: achieve it maybe instantaneously
then the effort and the massive

Allen Chan: action is quite incredible that
you.

Allen Chan: So, like your brain is like
making uh, no, you just possibly

Allen Chan: can't do it, which is true
versus if you were mapping it

Allen Chan: out like, hey, let's say three
months, right?

Allen Chan: Happy 12 years, then it's a
different game plan altogether.

Allen Chan: True.

Allen Chan: Umm.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So how do you see the future of
work involving in terms of

Allen Chan: mental health and work like
that?

Allen Chan: Well, I feel it it it's up to
the individual in terms of what

Allen Chan: they well firstly define what
they they think like work life

Allen Chan: balance is like my work life
balance.

Allen Chan: It may be very different to
yourself or to someone just down

Allen Chan: the road, right?

Allen Chan: That's number one.

Allen Chan: And again, you need to define
what mental health means, right?

Allen Chan: Is that like, you know, no
stress or like, I mean, it's

Allen Chan: impossible we all get stressed
right by having a Management or

Allen Chan: had to tackle stress or like
seeing signs and patterns and

Allen Chan: then we need to stop and do
something differently.

Allen Chan: Alright, so once you define that
first right gives you a game

Allen Chan: plan that now if you're saying
hey for me like I love

Allen Chan: traveling, right.

Allen Chan: So that's kind of like, I mean,
I've got, I've got not that I'm

Allen Chan: not working late.

Allen Chan: I'm traveling for six weeks from
December, right?

Allen Chan: So it's like that's kind of my
I'm looking forward to that.

Allen Chan: That's kind of my down time with
the family, with the kids,

Allen Chan: different experiences and going
back and then the next year we

Allen Chan: already got something mapped
into the going to Canada

Allen Chan: potentially.

Allen Chan: So it's kind of like I'm not
saying like you have to go to a

Allen Chan: certain countries, it may be
what you said, right, travelling

Allen Chan: S right as simple as that.

Allen Chan: Doing something different,
right?

Allen Chan: And you might go ohh easy for
you to say is this?

Allen Chan: It's costing a lot of money,
right?

Allen Chan: Well, we could do things
differently.

Allen Chan: Doesn't have to cost money,
right?

Allen Chan: If you really brainstorm and
work out something that's

Allen Chan: resonating to you, you'll find
something true.

Allen Chan: But it's just making that effort
to sit down.

Allen Chan: How often do we not look at like
it's down and reflect on our own

Allen Chan: life because we're caught up.

Allen Chan: We need to do this.

Allen Chan: We need to be there, right?

Allen Chan: We need to do that like, sit
down for yourself right before

Allen Chan: you sleep.

Allen Chan: So it's half an hour, right?

Allen Chan: Reflect what is important to you
in terms of work life balance.

Allen Chan: OK.

Allen Chan: It's not.

Allen Chan: It's like 40% or 20%.

Allen Chan: Why?

Allen Chan: OK, this is what's happening or
what why I need to add OK I need

Allen Chan: to add more of my me time then
you know exactly what you need

Allen Chan: to do about it. Right?

Allen Chan: It's always that constant
shuffle.

Allen Chan: You never.

Allen Chan: Why is that balance right?

Allen Chan: Because there will be times.

Allen Chan: That's one you're doing more
work than.

Allen Chan: Then there's other times that
you're doing more life and

Allen Chan: there's no work.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: And then you become a bit lazy.

Allen Chan: So that's why you need to
reflect.

Allen Chan: So if you're not reflecting, I
mean, yeah, if you're reflecting

Allen Chan: every day, of course you stay on
track.

Allen Chan: But if you're not reflecting
until like once a quarter or

Allen Chan: half a year, once a year, right,
your work life balance and your

Allen Chan: mental health is out the door
for sure. Makes sense.

Allen Chan: Umm, So what role does this
technology play in both

Allen Chan: supporting and challenging work
life balance?

Allen Chan: So I repeat that again.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: What kind of roles does this
technology play in supporting

Allen Chan: and challenging in work life
balance well depends how you

Allen Chan: like.

Allen Chan: I was at a AI.

Allen Chan: Uh, sorry.

Allen Chan: CRM by the company's creation
and and you know they're asking

Allen Chan: is AI gonna be this?

Allen Chan: And you know, is supporting or
is it a challenge, right?

Allen Chan: Depends how you look at it,
right?

Allen Chan: I mean show of hands.

Allen Chan: Some of the listeners, right,
who's actually used Chan PT or

Allen Chan: some AI tools we all used to as
a supported us.

Allen Chan: Yes, because it's provided more
efficiency, right?

Allen Chan: But then another way of playing
it.

Allen Chan: Ohh by doing that using cans all
this stuff is taking their their

Allen Chan: jobs.

Allen Chan: Well, yeah, right.

Allen Chan: It's become more efficient.

Allen Chan: So you don't need to have that.

Allen Chan: I mean, there's certain skewers
and videographer photographer

Allen Chan: that they need to have, right.

Allen Chan: So it's kind of focusing and
narrowing down on specific like

Allen Chan: reorganization skills like we're
talking about.

Allen Chan: But for us, like we can access
it if you want to choose the

Allen Chan: time, some people may not want
to do that, right.

Allen Chan: So it depends on where you how
you look at it, right?

Allen Chan: So I don't see it as a
challenge.

Allen Chan: Now yes, if you just focus
everything like anything, if you

Allen Chan: binge on something, there's no
good.

Allen Chan: So for example, yeah, we can
have chocolate once in a while,

Allen Chan: but we've been binge on it like
you know what the consequences

Allen Chan: is gonna be, right if you binge
on like you know to technical

Allen Chan: logical advances.

Allen Chan: So I mean the downside is what
you mentioned, the mental health

Allen Chan: and no work life balance, right?

Allen Chan: Maybe some health challenges,
but I think as a user you need

Allen Chan: to be aware right where you're
at.

Allen Chan: I'm not saying my health
perfect.

Allen Chan: I'm not saying I'm not.

Allen Chan: Don't get stressed.

Allen Chan: I'm saying that you need to be
aware of yourself, right?

Allen Chan: Hey, is that imbalance?

Allen Chan: OK, it is what it is.

Allen Chan: What can I do differently?

Allen Chan: How can I make it better than it
is right by adding more staff or

Allen Chan: deleting more stuff?

Allen Chan: Right, you need to reflect and I
don't think people will sit down

Allen Chan: and really reflect on their
situation because they always

Allen Chan: go, go, go.

Allen Chan: But they may you go.

Allen Chan: Hey, easy for you to say, right?

Allen Chan: Yeah, but we're different.

Allen Chan: I'm sure we sit down and
brainstorm.

Allen Chan: We'll find other ways.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: How often do you reflect?

Allen Chan: How often do I reflect?

Allen Chan: I mean, yeah.

Allen Chan: Ohh if not daily like at least a
few days because obviously I've

Allen Chan: run a very busy schedule, right?

Allen Chan: Yeah, I love reflecting on
Sundays right on the weekend,

Allen Chan: right.

Allen Chan: So always think right like 1
mentor, another mentor, right?

Allen Chan: It said, like, how often do we
sit down and have some think

Allen Chan: time?

Allen Chan: You need to have some think time
right for yourself, right?

Allen Chan: And you might be going home.

Allen Chan: What the heck?

Allen Chan: I think all the time.

Allen Chan: Yeah, but you're thinking on
doing the things you're not

Allen Chan: thinking on, the things that you
need to like you said, you said

Allen Chan: work life balance.

Allen Chan: Is that what's the next holiday
that I'm gonna do?

Allen Chan: What's the next investment?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: Thinking on certain areas that
mean something in your life.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: So I don't think we reflect that
in enough, right.

Allen Chan: So I'm talking about like, yeah,
no Facebook.

Allen Chan: No, no Instagram, nothing, just
focusing on what you need to be

Allen Chan: thinking on, right?

Allen Chan: Like what?

Allen Chan: You you're mentioning like, hey,
what?

Allen Chan: We're all searching for that.

Allen Chan: Like, what's the purpose?

Allen Chan: Like I've never been so
purposeful.

Allen Chan: Right in my life.

Allen Chan: Like on top of what I'm doing,
I'm, you know, sharing some

Allen Chan: stuff with yourself.

Allen Chan: Or putting it in a podcast is
exciting, whether we monetize or

Allen Chan: not.

Allen Chan: I don't care.

Allen Chan: Like I want to add value to the
community.

Allen Chan: I think that's the reason why
we're doing it.

Allen Chan: Yeah, but of course we do have
our other programs and stuff

Allen Chan: like that that people can pay
for and access to that

Allen Chan: knowledge.

Allen Chan: So be it, right?

Allen Chan: And so it's giving me like in
the projects, right?

Allen Chan: So my life always gonna be
having some projects along,

Allen Chan: right?

Allen Chan: That's gonna stretch me right?

Allen Chan: So I'm playing like you said,
like going to the Philippines,

Allen Chan: where working yourself immersion
create and having with the

Allen Chan: family we got close to 15 to 20
participants, right?

Allen Chan: So it's also having staff and a
good team that believe in the

Allen Chan: vision.

Allen Chan: What's the purpose right to
provide that experience?

Allen Chan: So it's giving like without of
expecting anything in return.

Allen Chan: So I feel like when you really
sit down and think right, you'll

Allen Chan: come up with stuff and then is
it worthwhile for you?

Allen Chan: Like, what's the reason for you
to do it sometimes?

Allen Chan: Like if you you make a great
reasons you know in in doing it.

Allen Chan: But there's also you make great
reasons what not to do it right.

Allen Chan: So therefore, your psychological
and psychology needs to be in

Allen Chan: checked as well, because it's
easy to kind of go.

Allen Chan: Ohh yeah, like that weekend you
said you're going ohh.

Allen Chan: Look, it's too cold or it's too
hot.

Allen Chan: You always find something not to
do it, but if you said, hey,

Allen Chan: I've committed.

Allen Chan: I don't know what it's like, but
you said you you watch some

Allen Chan: stars and comments and flying
stars.

Allen Chan: I mean, right if you knew the
beginning, you will probably

Allen Chan: sign up ages ago, right?

Allen Chan: But you didn't know what you
didn't know, right?

Allen Chan: But you have to be there to
experience.

Allen Chan: WOW, there's no like, you know,
I can actually see the stars at

Allen Chan: 8:00 or 8:30.

Allen Chan: Right, you're mentioning, right?

Allen Chan: So that's what life provides.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: Umm, So what is one piece of
advice that you would like to

Allen Chan: give to our listeners like
whoever is listening to us but

Allen Chan: who are struggling to maintain
their work like Father.

Allen Chan: Yeah, well, I feel the key thing
is like you do it well, I do it

Allen Chan: well.

Allen Chan: It's capture, right?

Allen Chan: Do you write down things?

Allen Chan: What's going well, what's not
going well?

Allen Chan: Do you talk to someone right to
tell them everything, or you

Allen Chan: just keep it inside?

Allen Chan: Because what I can guarantee
you, if you don't kind of like

Allen Chan: write it down or some sort of
process to get it out of your

Allen Chan: system or talking to people, it
gets bottled up and why do I

Allen Chan: have mental challenges because
well, I can't read in your head

Allen Chan: my like what you're thinking and
writing and and expecting right.

Allen Chan: So I think from I'm just talking
generalizing here to say Asian

Allen Chan: culture thing like this.

Allen Chan: There's this thing on big on is
like that unspoken expectation.

Allen Chan: That I how can I read from my
parents on an elderly?

Allen Chan: Like what they expect of me, if
you don't really communicate,

Allen Chan: and even if you sit down and
activity which is eating a

Allen Chan: dinner.

Allen Chan: But if you don't effectively
communicate, how am I gonna know

Allen Chan: what you think?

Allen Chan: What you feel, whether you're
happy or not happy, right.

Allen Chan: And then you become or not
talking at all.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: So I think human beings, you
need that communication, even if

Allen Chan: it's not good or
confrontational.

Allen Chan: Right, because you need to see
where people are coming from and

Allen Chan: not make a story.

Allen Chan: Whether it's empowering or
disempowering.

Allen Chan: Hopefully, when creating a story
that's empowering and then

Allen Chan: working towards that right.

Allen Chan: So I feel like the first thing
is to capture.

Allen Chan: Let it out right or let it go
right like frozen and kind of

Allen Chan: thing, right?

Allen Chan: It's not easy to let go.

Allen Chan: I mean, even for myself, the
certain things I'd kind of go,

Allen Chan: but let's start off with
capturing or sharing. Yeah.

Allen Chan: So what happens?

Allen Chan: Uh, what do you like to advise
to the people who are, like, uh,

Allen Chan: more kind of introvert nature
intravert nation?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So yeah, if they don't want to
talk to people.

Allen Chan: Mm-hmm.

Allen Chan: They can write, they can
journal, they can record

Allen Chan: themselves, right.

Allen Chan: And so it's not necessary to
share because they may not feel

Allen Chan: comfortable now.

Allen Chan: They have their different
reasons.

Allen Chan: Maybe there's fear of judgment,
right?

Allen Chan: What other people think?

Allen Chan: Right, But that's them, right?

Allen Chan: They need to have a way to
outlet because if they don't, I

Allen Chan: feel again they will be bottled
up right?

Allen Chan: So and then it's not good for
your health, right?

Allen Chan: Mentally, physically.

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: Why you snapped?

Allen Chan: Because they could be like just
a, you know, I think that you

Allen Chan: haven't shared with someone,
right, potentially.

Allen Chan: That's what I think. Yeah.

Allen Chan: So how can our listeners start a
conversation conversation about

Allen Chan: mental health in their own
workplaces?

Allen Chan: Well, I think there's a you OK
day.

Allen Chan: But are you OK?

Allen Chan: Day is like, you know, it's very
yes or no answer, right?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So just checking in how you
feeling about this, right?

Allen Chan: So it's a more open ended
question because like you know,

Allen Chan: are you OK if someone came to
me?

Allen Chan: Are you OK?

Allen Chan: Like, what's the natural
tendency?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: You gotta say, hey, I'm OK.

Allen Chan: I'm cool, right?

Allen Chan: But, but that's not really
having and starting and deep

Allen Chan: conversation, right.

Allen Chan: We mentioned about like ohh the
the the girls are in the cow.

Allen Chan: You know my younger one in the
car today.

Allen Chan: It's like you have to have a
better way of questioning.

Allen Chan: You can't be saying how school,
of course they're gonna say is

Allen Chan: good or no good, right?

Allen Chan: But if you're saying that, hey,
what's the most exciting thing?

Allen Chan: What's the best thing that you
learn? Right?

Allen Chan: How did you approach?

Allen Chan: How did you feel about school
today?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: So then, like they're sharing
their feelings, right?

Allen Chan: Like like I said, human beings
are like we're feeling

Allen Chan: creatures, right?

Allen Chan: Like, I mean I can't.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: You you're feeling is correct,
not correct because I feel like

Allen Chan: when you're saying OK and not
OK. Yes.

Allen Chan: No, it's kind of like
judgmental.

Allen Chan: But when you're saying how you
feel about things like my, how

Allen Chan: do you feel about this?

Allen Chan: You're feeling like I can't
control it and say, hey, it's

Allen Chan: the right feeling and wrong
feelings.

Allen Chan: How are you feel?

Allen Chan: So it's really subjective, but
once you share how you feel

Allen Chan: about things, guess what?

Allen Chan: You feel much better, right?

Allen Chan: So I think like it is a sparking
that conversation and it's not

Allen Chan: just like doing it because of
activity or it's a, are you OK

Allen Chan: day, are you really OK?

Allen Chan: But I Maya.

Allen Chan: Hey, what did you do on the
weekend?

Allen Chan: Right.

Allen Chan: I mean, how much conversation
did we go through? Right.

Allen Chan: I know you found out.

Allen Chan: It's my birthday.

Allen Chan: All this stuff like because
you're interacting and talking

Allen Chan: to people, which we lack
nowadays.

Allen Chan: All right.

Allen Chan: I mean, it's different if I
said, hey, how was your weekend?

Allen Chan: Like you're respond to me.

Allen Chan: But how can you express 2 lines
of conversation when you're

Allen Chan: really talking to someone?

Allen Chan: Like we're already gone through
like 40 something minutes right

Allen Chan: now, right.

Allen Chan: There's so much content because
we're not sharing enough right?

Allen Chan: What's in our head? Right.

Allen Chan: That's the reason.

Allen Chan: Umm, So what is our last note
for today?

Allen Chan: For our listeners and I feel,
look, we're just what happens

Allen Chan: happens to everyone, like even
myself.

Allen Chan: Like we need to question
yourself.

Allen Chan: Is is there like how we feeling
with our mental health?

Allen Chan: How?

Allen Chan: How you going right with your
work life balance, balance.

Allen Chan: It's never gonna be like an
equilibrium balance.

Allen Chan: Oh my God.

Allen Chan: I've done 4 hours on myself and
four hours of work.

Allen Chan: Unbalanced.

Allen Chan: No, like, it's what's meaningful
to you because sometimes

Allen Chan: achieving work life balance
maybe like 40 minute listening

Allen Chan: to our podcast or 30 minutes,
just like, you know, doing your

Allen Chan: exercise, whatever it could be.

Allen Chan: But it's something focused on
not work, right?

Allen Chan: Something for yourself, right?

Allen Chan: Not your family, not others for
yourself, right?

Allen Chan: Hopefully is that empowering
your health, right?

Allen Chan: Ohh yes, you can have a drink or
something like that, but

Allen Chan: something that's meaningful and
empowering yourself.

Allen Chan: That's cool.

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: All right.

Allen Chan: I think we wrapped it up for the
day, right?

Allen Chan: What's some exciting
conversations are coming up?

Allen Chan: Is there any topics that you in
the future and that?

Allen Chan: Yeah.

Allen Chan: So yeah, hoping to have a but
Michelson on different stuffs

Allen Chan: like manifestation.

Allen Chan: Oh, great.

Allen Chan: Yeah, about finding the purpose
of your life.

Allen Chan: OK, great.

Allen Chan: And the story behind the
success?

Allen Chan: Success.

Allen Chan: OK, story behind success.

Allen Chan: Alright, so on.

Allen Chan: OK, great.

Allen Chan: So stay tuned and then we'll
talk more later on.

Allen Chan: All right.

Allen Chan: Thanks guys.